Curse

AtomicMew · Apr 07, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

@OP: listen to Igor, he knows what he is talking about.

BotM is not needed and is optional. Fights are close enough together that it almost never matters. Also, you can pretty much accomplish much the same effect by careful pulling and judicious usage of prot spirit. But most of the time, it'll just slow you down.

@Daesu: post your build. Stop arguing from the bleachers. Step up to the plate.

Igor has pretty much explicitly given his build as well as numerous suggestions for different professions. You keep hinting at this magical discordway variant that is for warriors and is superior to both sabway and PvX discordway for casters.

You can't hope to argue effectively against him unless you back up your words with something real. At least let other people decide for themselves.

Daesu · Apr 07, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by traversc

BotM is not needed and is optional. Fights are close enough together that it almost never matters.

It also depends on how long you stop between fights and what minions you bring. If you have fiends as well in your MM build, like in sabway, then you probably want to bring BoTM too because each fiend would cost you 25e which is expensive even for a necro.

As requested, I am leaving off the Discord crap from this thread.

Paul Dawg · Apr 08, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

I'm having a hard time understanding how pulling and [protective spirit] are going to approximate the effects of [blood of the master].

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Originally Posted by traversc

BotM is not needed and is optional. Fights are close enough together that it almost never matters. Also, you can pretty much accomplish much the same effect by careful pulling and judicious usage of prot spirit. But most of the time, it'll just slow you down.

Mr Emu · Apr 08, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

I'm having a hard time understanding how pulling and [protective spirit] are going to approximate the effects of [blood of the master].

he means you can tank AoE/dmg spikes with PS instead of a minion wall. Btw as far as I can tell, Igor makes a point and Daesu jumps on it regardless of what it is. Igor could say barbs and splinter are good in discord and Daesu would probably argue it.

Daesu · Apr 08, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by Mr Emu

he means you can tank AoE/dmg spikes with PS instead of a minion wall.

PS alone can't replace a minion wall. We are not talking about tank and spank here.

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Originally Posted by Mr Emu

Igor could say barbs and splinter are good in discord and Daesu would probably argue it.

Wrong. I would support him if he really says that. But he has never said that because he would have to agree with me if he does.

AtomicMew · Apr 09, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Daesu

PS alone can't replace a minion wall. We are not talking about tank and spank here.

Of course we are talking bout tank an' spank. Just that in triple necro the minions do the tanking.

Yes PS along with good pulling CAN replace a minion wall. what I mean by "replacing a minion wall" is that: any group that would require a minion wall to defeat can always be beaten by PS and good pulling. Of course, it takes longer, but IMO, BotM slows you down more because it makes your hero lag behind (which is even more important if you're like me and always carry an IMS ;o.)

So the question isn't really "which is better" but "which is faster" since they both are fully capable. However, it is flawed logic to think that you ever NEED a minion wall (good thing no one is arguing that ;o)

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As requested, I am leaving off the Discord crap from this thread.

You are thinking of the wrong thread. I think it would be a good gesture to post your build and perhaps let others better understand your arguments.